Most owners say they want a great culture. Then they put it on a poster, hold one all-hands meeting, and wonder why nothing changes. If you have ever felt that gap between the culture you talk about and the one your people actually live in, this conversation is for you.
I sat down with Carrie Rogers, a U.S. Marine veteran, business coach, speaker and author of the upcoming book Culture Is a System, Not a Slogan. Carrie spent more than 16 years helping build a residential home builder in metro Atlanta, taught in the construction management program at Kennesaw State University, coached builders, and now runs a full-service restaurant with her husband. Her title says it all: culture is not something you announce. It is something you build with systems. Here is what she taught me, and what you can use this week.
Where do you start when you move into a business you know nothing about?
Carrie started as the first full-time employee at a home builder in 2004. She watched it grow for 16 years and helped build the purchasing, marketing and warranty departments along the way. Then she and her husband opened a restaurant in 2015, with big dreams, lots of passion and, in her words, plenty of experience eating at restaurants.
Her first piece of advice for anyone changing careers is practical. Call the Small Business Development Center (SBDC). It is a free, government-backed program that gives you access to qualified business coaches, and Carrie says getting an SBDC coach was the best thing she did when she moved from construction into restaurants. The coaches can answer questions you did not know to ask, and they know the capital providers in your area. They do not hand you money, but they can help you become bank ready.
The second lesson from that first year: the first person you hire matters more than almost anything. Carrie's first general manager was pivotal. Restaurants typically take 18 to 24 months to go from concept to opening, and they did it in seven. They gave up some things to get there, but hiring the right first person made it possible.
Why should you hire for character and heart instead of experience?
Carrie's answer is blunt: everything else is trainable. In the restaurant business she would rather have a server with no experience than one who walks in with a pile of bad habits. If you are trying to build a culture, you have to find people who fit it.
I see the same thing with company owners all over the country. Many are hiring resumes and are on their thirteenth hire in three years. Carrie and I talked about three ways to fix that:
- Change your interview questions. Carrie says this one change improved her hiring significantly. Use an AI tool to help: tell it what your culture is about and who you are hiring, and ask it for questions that reveal character, not just skills.
- Use a personality profile such as DISC. For her restaurant, a driven personality might make a manager, while a more people-oriented style fits a server and a detail-oriented one fits the accountant. The profile shows you what kind of person a seat needs.
- Be willing to let a bad fit go. If the match is not there, the kindest thing for everyone is to act early.
She also said something every manager needs to hear: your team is watching what you tolerate. If a star performer ignores the rules and you let it slide, how long before everyone else stops following them too? Fix the problem or remove it, and start the conversation with a question, not an accusation.
How do you manage cash flow when money slips through your fingers?
Carrie's second lesson is short: cash is king. She makes a clear point that cash and capital are different things. If you hold cash, you can almost always find capital. And a home builder needs a very different kind of capital than a restaurant does, because building is so capital intensive. Know which kind of business you are running.
Her practical cash flow advice:
- Study your cash flow closely. Moving the due dates of regular invoices can make or break you. If regular money comes in and regular bills go out, line them up inside the month so you are never caught short.
- Start with local sources of capital. Her experience was that credit unions and local banks come first, then the national banks, because the local ones want to be partners in the community.
- Do not fill out financing forms all over the internet. Work through legitimate relationships, and the SBDC can help you with those.
And you cannot manage what you cannot see. If nobody on your team can produce the reports you need, or you are not sure which reports you need, that is the first thing to fix.
What is the difference between financial and managerial accounting?
This was one of my favorite parts of the conversation. Carrie came into business knowing how to read a profit and loss statement and a balance sheet. The aha moment came when she asked herself what day of the month her P&L actually shows up. For most owners, it is day ten or later.
In her restaurants, they work in four-week periods and get a report every day on food cost, sales and labor. Managers see the numbers hour by hour. Carrie's example: if labor is running over, the manager on duty can send kitchen staff home earlier, before payroll is locked in. The same idea works on a jobsite. Do not wait for the month-end report to find out a job is off. Build a view that tells you today.
How do you fix a broken process with sticky notes?
Carrie says nothing moves the needle faster than good processes, and most people are overwhelmed by the idea of writing them down. Her fix is simple and does not cost anything:
- Gather the people who touch the process. Say four people move a document from person A to person D.
- Give each person a different color of sticky note and a blank wall.
- Have everyone write down every step they do, then put the notes on the wall in order.
- Look at the picture. You will often see work bouncing back and forth, or one person holding three things they think must move on before they can finish.
- Reorganize the steps so the work flows, and write down the new version.
The bottlenecks show themselves once the team can see the whole thing on a wall. And a written process becomes an accountability tool: every step has a name on it. That also makes employee reviews easier, because you are talking about performance against the process, not about personality.
Why does your team need to know the why?
Carrie came out of the Marine Corps, where you just do what you are told. She learned quickly that the rest of the world does not work that way, and that teams perform far better when you explain why a task matters to them. Her example from the restaurant: when servers learn that an upsell like a slice of pie adds to the check, and therefore to their tip, they understand why you are training them on it.
The same goes for purpose. Her restaurant, Rally Point, exists to honor and support veterans, first responders and their families. She has watched employees, even those in the kitchen who never meet a customer, change how they work once they understand they are part of something bigger. If you want people to give you their best, give them clarity about where you are going and why it matters.
What does it mean that your team falls to its highest level of training under stress?
Carrie's line on this one stuck with me: your team under stress will fall to its highest level of training. It is why elite military units practice relentlessly. Anything you have not rehearsed goes out the window when pressure hits, and in business, the pressure is coming. It might be a market swing, a bad month or a key person leaving.
Owners worry about training people who then leave. Carrie's answer is the question I use myself: what if you do not train them and they stay? When untrained people hit a stressful moment, their answer is often, I do not know what to do, so I am waiting for you to tell me. Training, clarity and permission to make decisions are what let a team keep moving when things get foggy. And the best way I know to build ownership is to ask more questions than you give orders, so the person in the chair finds the solution and owns it.
Why should your people come before your customers?
Carrie expects pushback on this one. Her observation, operation after operation, is that the companies that take care of their team first are the ones that shine. Take care of your people, and they will take care of your customers. Customer satisfaction, service and profit all get delivered by people, so if you pour into customers but not into your team, you are setting yourself up to fail.
Practical steps she shared:
- Thank your team constantly. Most leaders are so driven that celebrating lands at the bottom of the list. Carrie gave one of her staff the title of Chief Celebrations Officer, someone who loves celebrating and makes sure birthdays, anniversaries and wins never get missed. If you are not wired for it, give the job to someone who is.
- Praise in public, develop in private. Snapping at someone in front of the group can end their willingness to speak up for years, and everyone who watched learns the same lesson.
- Measure what matters. What gets measured improves. Watch leading indicators, not just lagging ones, and be careful with money incentives: they work so well that people may chase one number and drop everything else.
What is the one thing to remember?
I asked Carrie what she hoped owners would take away. Her answer was modest and, I think, right: success comes from micro steps, not quantum leaps. If one idea from this conversation changes your direction by even half a degree, you end up miles from where you were headed. Pick one thing, a sticky note session, a new interview question, a thank-you note, and do it this week.
Key takeaways
- Hire for character and heart first. Skills, systems and experience can be trained.
- Cash is king. Line up when money comes in and goes out, and know the difference between cash and capital.
- A P&L is history. Build daily or weekly numbers your managers can act on before the month ends.
- A sticky-note session on a blank wall can map and fix a broken process in one meeting.
- Take care of your people first, thank them often, and praise in public and develop in private.
In this episode
- 0:00Introduction to Carrie Rogers and Her Journey
- 3:05Lessons from the Restaurant Business
- 5:53Key Insights for New Business Owners
- 8:48The Importance of Hiring Right
- 12:09Managing Cash Flow Effectively
- 15:04Understanding Financial vs Managerial Accounting
- 17:59The Role of Processes in Business Success
- 21:05The Importance of Accountability and Clarity
- 22:04Understanding the 'Why' in Leadership
- 24:43Creating a Purpose-Driven Culture
- 26:04Measuring Success: The Role of KPIs
- 28:13Training Under Stress: Preparing Teams for Challenges
- 30:55Prioritizing People Over Customers
- 32:01Celebrating Team Achievements
- 34:20Handling Employee Feedback Effectively
- 36:51Micro Changes Lead to Success
Questions builders ask
Is company culture a system or a slogan?
According to Carrie Rogers, culture is a system. It lives in how you hire, how work flows through written processes, how you measure results and how you treat your people every day. A slogan on the wall does not change behavior; clear processes, accountability and consistent leadership do.
Why should you hire for character instead of experience?
Skills and experience can be taught, but integrity, drive and self-motivation are very hard to train. Carrie would rather hire a restaurant server with no experience than one with bad habits, and she suggests redesigning interview questions with the help of AI to uncover character, and using a profile like DISC to match people to seats.
What is the difference between financial and managerial accounting?
Financial accounting, like the monthly profit and loss statement, tells you what already happened, often ten days or more after the month ends. Managerial accounting gives managers daily or weekly numbers, such as sales and labor, so they can change course while it still affects the result.
How do you map a business process with your team?
Put the people involved in a room with a blank wall and different colored sticky notes. Have each person write every step they perform, then arrange the notes in order. The bottlenecks and wasted back-and-forth become obvious, and you can reorganize the steps and write down the improved process.
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