Most owners think their job is to be the one who fixes things. The phone rings, something is going sideways, and you step in and solve it. It feels like leadership. It feels like caring about your customers. And it works, right up until you are the bottleneck in your own company.
My guest on this episode, Mitchell Kasselman, put the cost of it in one sentence: when a senior leader jumps in to solve the problem, “what I'm actually doing is preventing an opportunity for a team member to actually learn how to do that themselves.” Mitchell is the co-founder and CEO of Ressio Software, which builds construction management software for custom home builders and remodelers.
A quick disclosure, since this audience deserves it: Mitchell and I have known each other since 2022, and he says on the show that I helped him in Ressio's early days. He also sells software to builders. I have kept that in mind while summarizing, and the lessons below are about running a company, not about any product.
Why does being the hero stop working as your company grows?
Mitchell described how his role changed over about four years. In year one it was him and his co-founder against the world, hands in everything, running as fast as they could. Year two was about building a high-talent team and the foundations of culture: accountability, communication, collaboration, and everybody rowing in the same direction. By years three and four, the shift was from heroics to systems.
He admitted that is the painful part, because he loves his customers and wants to help every one personally. But as the company grows you cannot rely on a single person heroically solving a problem. You need a standard process and a foundation that lets the company scale.
That is the transition I coach owners through. Most of us started small, got blessed, and the business grew without anyone learning how to run it. If you want to grow (and nobody says you have to), you have to lean into the skills of other people who can take things further than you, even if you have been burned before.
How do you build a team that can solve problems without you?
Mitchell's practical answers were all about teaching people to fish.
- Document it. Anything the company does well should be written down as a standard process anyone can pick up.
- Give outcomes, then room to run. His leadership team set four big company goals with a few strategic initiatives under each. His own name is generally not on them. The directors own them, so they know what to achieve and feel empowered to do it.
- Ask questions before directing. Curiosity and listening solved more people problems than prescribing. When you tell people exactly what to do and it fails, they say, I did what you told me, and ownership disappears.
- Look at the process before the person. As the team grew, Mitchell's question shifted from who missed a step to whether there is a failure in the process or alignment. With clear processes, you can still hold individuals accountable on solid ground.
I like how he put the hero habit: a lot of heroism is people taking on too many things because they think they are the knight in shining armor. Taking off the cape lets you do your real job.
If your managers keep deflecting problems back to the doer, the company is stuck somewhere along the line.
That one is my addition, borrowed from John Maxwell's Law of the Lid, but it fits what Mitchell described: his managers came up as individual contributors, and the habit of going to fix it yourself is the hardest one to break.
How do you hire for culture fit?
Ressio uses the same interview structure for every candidate, whatever the role: a behavioral part, a technical part and a cultural part. The cultural part is where it counts. They pick five of their company values and ask tailored questions about each. Mitchell said that even a ten out of ten technical candidate with perfect behavioral answers will fail the cultural stage if they do not measure up on the values.
I tell owners the resume is secondary. You can teach skills. You cannot teach integrity, caring or drive. This means writing your values down. It can feel squishy, but however you do business you are already living some set of values. Name them, because they become your hiring filter. Mitchell added that some strong people from other companies did not fit, and some who had been written off elsewhere thrived at Ressio because they aligned with the mission.
He added that your principles should evolve as the company does. What worked three years ago may not all apply now. I would say the same thing: at least once a year, close the doors and ask whether your values and mission still fit, and invite the newest leader to say what they see.
What are the six dimensions of company culture?
Mitchell shared an exercise Ressio uses with its team, which he credited to a business school professor (he did not recall the name on air). It rates culture on six dimensions: adaptability, detail orientation, customer orientation, collaboration, results orientation and principles orientation. You get 21 points to spread across the six, scoring each from zero to five. You cannot give everything a five, so you are forced to make trade-offs.
The point, in his words, is that you cannot be everything for everyone. A younger company leans toward adaptability because it has to change and pivot quickly. A larger company needs more detail orientation because more has to be written down. The exercise makes you decide on purpose where to put your emphasis, instead of pretending you will be perfect at everything.
When should you let someone go?
Mitchell is candid that this is a hard lesson. Early on, as a young entrepreneur, he did not want to be the one saying it is not going to work here, and he and the team held on to people longer than they wanted to. The surprising part, he said, was that in the few times they have had to let someone go, the employee was often relieved, and the team was relieved to stop carrying the weight. That changed how he thinks about it.
From my side, the reluctance is partly selfish: who will cover the work, it will be brutal for a couple of weeks. But the person is usually not doing well, has not been for weeks or months, and everyone, including them, knows it. Build checkpoints at 90 days, six months and nine months, so that if it is not working you help them get somewhere they can be great. With clear expectations and honest feedback all along, it is rarely a surprise.
How should builders think about AI and trust?
Mitchell offered one idea I keep repeating: the best use of AI is critical thinking paired with your own specialty knowledge. AI can do almost anything, but you have to point it at the right thing. The number one thing he hears from nervous builders is that they do not trust it. His answer: trust is earned by asking it to do something and validating the output against what your expertise tells you. The human filter is the key.
Ressio treats AI as an accelerator, using it to move from customer feedback to a first draft far faster. That is his product world, so take it as one company's practice. What carries over to a builder's business is pointing the tool at one well-defined problem and checking the work.
Mitchell's advice for owners and founders
- Decide whether ownership is for you, and get your family on board. It is a burden and a blessing, and he credits his wife for Ressio existing.
- Have a bias for action. Talk to customers, iterate, and do not polish every detail early on.
- Build resilience. You can wake up with a clear mission and have three things go wrong. Get back off the mat.
- Do not go it alone. Get advisors, then apply your own critical thinking to what they say. Take what fits and leave what does not.
- Keep reinvesting in your team and culture. Help each person grow in the direction they want, whether that is promotion or earning more in the same role. The team you had on day one may not be the team you need today, and that is not a judgment, just an honest conversation.
His closing advice: think about where you have worked and what principles you liked and hated. That is the fuel for a good culture. Invest in that foundation early and often, and never let up.
Key takeaways
- When a senior leader jumps in to fix a problem, the team loses a chance to learn it themselves.
- The shift that lets a company scale is from heroics to documented systems and clear outcomes.
- When something goes wrong, check the process before blaming the person, and ask questions before giving directions.
- Interview every candidate for values as well as skills. Write your values down so they can be used as a hiring filter.
- Holding on to the wrong person too long costs the whole team. Letting go is often a relief for everyone.
In this episode
- 0:00Stop being the hero
- 0:29Welcome
- 0:55Meet Mitchell Kasselman
- 2:23How he found the contractor
- 3:30Why builders' software feels twenty years old
- 4:13Building Ressio
- 5:22A hundred decisions a day
- 6:08Year two: talent and culture
- 6:38From heroics to systems
- 8:11Your job is the environment
- 9:31Building a company is like a marriage
- 10:30What AI is actually good for
- 12:01From a customer call to working code in days
- 13:15AI built for builders
- 14:51Getting past "I don't trust it"
- 17:04Decide if this is really for you
- 17:52Bias for action
- 18:37Getting back off the mat
- 19:24Do not go it alone
- 20:04Keep reinvesting in your team
- 21:02Rock stars and superstars
- 22:42People are the competitive advantage
- 24:14The castaways who thrived
- 25:02How they hire for culture
- 26:53Hire fast, fire fast
- 29:02Two out of three salespeople
- 30:16You already have values, write them down
- 31:42Let your values evolve
- 33:13From doing the work to managing managers
- 34:01Four goals, and his name is not on them
- 34:42Teach a man to fish
- 36:21Stop pointing at the individual
- 37:25Seek first to understand
- 38:18Curiosity over prescribing
- 39:03Ask more than you tell
- 39:58What not to do
- 40:38Take advice, but think for yourself
- 41:38Hallway decisions that become policy
- 42:37You cannot be everything to everyone
- 43:15Six dimensions, twenty one points
- 45:11What to take away
- 47:02Close
Questions builders ask
Why should owners stop being the hero in their company?
Each time a senior leader jumps in to solve a problem, a team member loses the chance to learn how to solve it. It also makes the leader a bottleneck. Mitchell Kasselman describes the move from heroics to documented systems as essential for scaling.
How do you hire for culture fit?
Use the same interview structure for every candidate, with a behavioral part, a technical part and a cultural part. For the cultural part, choose several of your company values and ask tailored questions about each one. A great technical candidate can still be a no if they do not measure up on your values.
How do you know when to let an employee go?
Look for a pattern of weeks or months where the person is not doing well and everyone on the team knows it. Set checkpoints, such as 90 days, six months and nine months, with clear expectations and honest feedback. With a process in place, the conversation is rarely a surprise.
What are the six dimensions of company culture?
In the exercise Mitchell describes, they are adaptability, detail orientation, customer orientation, collaboration, results orientation and principles orientation. A team spreads 21 points across them, scoring each from zero to five, which forces real trade-offs about what the company will emphasize.
Want help with this in your company?
Book a free 30-minute call with Bobby. No pitch, just a straight conversation about where you are stuck and what to do next.
Book a Free 30-Minute Call →A new episode every Wednesday.
Leadership, systems and the everyday decisions that build better companies, from Bobby Mink.
← All Episodes